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Re: Darts v Hemel Hempstead (Sat 31st Aug 3pm)

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:04 pm
by Harry
An interesting read and well done to Adam and the club for "fronting up".
Interested reasoning behind Vint's early season non -selection , the Luke WE departure has been referenced in general terms for the good of the dressing room.

I still find some of the comments slightly strange as if we are the only team in the league to suffer from injuries.

Previously squads included several versatile players such as Danny Harris, Elliot, Nathan Collier, Lee Burns who were capable of playing in 3 or 4 different positions and gave us solid alternatives when injuries occur. We dont seem to have these type of players, with Flisher the possible exception.

I would also give our younger players a chance rather than waste money on players such as Nasha in on short term deals, that are reviewed in 4 weeks.

But well done to Adam for the communication.

Re: Darts v Hemel Hempstead (Sat 31st Aug 3pm)

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:09 am
by Arthur Horsfield
Kentc seems to me you want run with the foxes and hunt with the hounds

Re: Darts v Hemel Hempstead (Sat 31st Aug 3pm)

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:48 am
by Park Life
Says Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde....... ;) :lol:

Re: Darts v Hemel Hempstead (Sat 31st Aug 3pm)

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:25 am
by Kentc
Arthur Horsfield wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:09 am Kentc seems to me you want run with the foxes and hunt with the hounds


Is that a personal insult Arthur? Thought you didn’t do that.
I know where I stand mate, I look at how some conduct themselves on here and I try and be as constructive even if I have different opinions.
I try Arthur, doesn’t mean I’m succeeding 🙂

Re: Darts v Hemel Hempstead (Sat 31st Aug 3pm)

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:42 am
by Arthur Horsfield
No not at all Kentc. I have witnessed the Hayes debate for many a decade now !!!! And get your point of views of other topics. It does come across a little snidey from me and I apologise as I have felt your after season started quotes have been constructive generally as if you had been got at 🤣🤣. It does seem to to me the "in my opinion" quote used in so many posts is ok to have providing it coincides with most on here. Interestingly and this maybe totally wrong a friend of mine who played for DFC 20 years ago was discussing the forum with me, and he said he used to get so upset as a player reading people criticising his performance etc and the names he brought up are on the platform to this day doing the same. Unless he is telling a whopper and I doubt that as he wouldn't remember the names it goes against the view put up by spike that it is indeed Arty that creates so much hostility or whatever the wording was. Did the forum exist 20 years ago I dont know possibly not I'm only repeating his words. Anyhow onto Tonbridge where I do want us to win

Re: Darts v Hemel Hempstead (Sat 31st Aug 3pm)

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:44 am
by spike
Lincoln exile wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:29 pm I think Adam's statement, although carefully worded, makes it quite clear why Luke was released.
I agree Adam's statement was carefully worded, but only to the extent that it completely avoided saying why Luke left and yet still managed to make it sound like it was the player's fault.

Re: Darts v Hemel Hempstead (Sat 31st Aug 3pm)

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:59 am
by spike
Arthur Horsfield wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:00 pm That's it then. Maybe their severed heads could be presented to you on platter Spike. According to Spike and friends you've some work to do Mr Irving. Not from me. Improvement is required but I believe I saw that Saturday.
That's a silly response Arty, I have the utmost respect for the guys as players, I just think they are very poor managers. I don't see any moral difference between releasing players who aren't performing and managers who aren't cutting it either. Managers obviously need more time but I reckon an entire season and a bit is enough to see we're not making any progress.

J and A had no problem chucking out Luke or discarding Alex Wall because they didn't think they were up to it and although those players were both gutted I didn't notice you taking the moral high ground about their feelings. The only difference I can see is that both of those players were actually very good at their jobs.

At the end of the day Arty, you and I have very different opinions, at least, we do as far as the forum goes. Can't we just leave it at that rather than boring everyone by going over the same thing time and time again? You're not going to convince me and I'm not even trying to convince you. You're perfectly entitled to think I'm talking a load of rubbish, in which case my opinion shouldn't matter anyway.

Re: Darts v Hemel Hempstead (Sat 31st Aug 3pm)

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:12 am
by Ozymandias
Exactly Spike, Lincoln says Flanners explained why Luke was released?? Sorry Linc, I didn't see that. Maybe Luke was upsetting the changing room? Is that what he said? Clear as mud.
He does say that Luke was the most consistent of all in defense. So let's get rid. This still doesn't make sense.

Re: Darts v Hemel Hempstead (Sat 31st Aug 3pm)

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:33 am
by Ajaxman DFC
An emotionally charged instant reply via Twitter followed by a considered, if somewhat delayed, response. One man's word against another.
And what is dressing room harmony when so many personalities are involved. And is it beneficial to the club or a self serving clique controlled by dominant individuals protecting their own status within the team


I'm not suggesting for one minute this is happening at Dartford, but clubs at both ends of the pyramid can sometimes experience certain levels of favouritism. Take a newbie for instance who comes in to cover a popular player who is currently injured, and does too good a job thus keeping the injured player out of the team when he's fit to play, causing animosity from his mates. And there are some players who seem to have to run through brick walls to get on the bench, while others can make cock up after cock up and occassionally not make the starting eleven.
We know how dangerous player power at the very highest level can be when a top top manager can lose his job.
At different levels throughout the game there are no doubt many cases of personality clashes within dressing rooms up and down the country. And for clubs to succeed in their ambitions strong man management is a must.
If there has been a bad apple in the dressing room, a newbie who has had the temerity to challenge the status quo and has reunited the dressing room by being ousted then let's take that renewed togetherness into tonight's game.
Let's go in with the attitude of 'who are these newbies from the Isthmian League who think they can take us on, tackle us and have the audacity to try and score against us, when they should be grateful just to share their pitch with us for ninety minutes.
On the other hand if we find ourselves 2-0 down at half time then I suggest the dynamic duo do a Brian Clough and stay away from the dressing room.
Then just before the players emerge for the second half, Adam and Jamie should pop their heads around the door and say, "Sorry lads, our fault. We picked the wrong team!"

Re: Darts v Hemel Hempstead (Sat 31st Aug 3pm)

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:35 pm
by Llamaman
The statement provided an answer that I expect a lot of people didn't want. There was something amiss that had been dealt with in a private way as possible. We will have to wait on the cut to playing staff rumour, at the moment 2 out, I loanee in and apparently we are on the look out for a new leftback, leaving numbers the same at present. The Club disposed of Phil Roberts whilst he was a more than useful member of the squad, but I never saw an official reason, just that he would never play for Dartford again. Of course stories went around but I have no idea of what really happened, and not that interested now.